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Is there life after death, reincarnation, nothing, or what?

posted Saturday, 3 June 2006
 

As most of us know, there are some people who believe that there is life after death; heaven and hell, or reincarnation, and there are others that believe that when you die that's it, you are no more, you as an entity has ceased to exist. Those that believe that there is nothing after death say show us the concrete evidence. O.K as yet there is no concrete Scientifically publishable evidence, however, then I ask myself, if I were to believe that there is nothing after death, I cease to exist why then would I feel any fear of death? Yes, I do not want to die a horrible death, but why should I fear death itself? If I would cease to exist then I would simply feel nothing, be aware of nothing, feel no regrets, no pain, nothing. Then why should I fear death?

 

Those that adamantly say there is no consciousness after death then should not fear death, surely? But most do? Do they fear nothing then?

 

Heaven and hell? Quite frankly the concept of heaven always sounded really boring to me, and hell, well what could be worse than the cruelty of man against man? If there is a hell, then surely it is right here. We punish ourselves much more than any loving God would.

 

Reincarnation? When I first heard about the concept of reincarnation, it made sense to my logical reasoning mind from the point of view that it help to explain the senseless aspects of life. Let's face it, from a reasoning perspective life is not fair, and it is way too short to even nearly reach our full potential. Just when most people have finally figured out, what are the rules of life, they must prepare to die. It just makes no sense to me. What exactly is does the concept of reincarnation entail? Most people will immediately say “Karma; You reap as you sow.” But at the same time they will also think of an individual entity reaping the Karma of their own past actions, however that particular concept of reincarnation is a New Age Western concept.

 

... according to the Eastern concept of reincarnation there cannot be any personal element that could wander from one life to the next. However, its modern version is substantially different from what Eastern religions stated. Far from being a torment out of which man has to escape by any price through abolishing personhood, New Age thinking considers reincarnation as an eternal progression of the soul toward higher levels of spiritual existence. Influenced by the Christian cultural context but totally opposing Eastern classic ideology, many consider today that the entity that reincarnates is our soul, which preserves the attributes of personhood from one life to another. This compromise obviously emerged from the desire to adopt the reincarnation doctrine to Western thought. The concept of an impersonal atman reincarnating was too abstract to be easily accepted, so Westerners needed a milder version of this doctrine. Although this tendency proves the soul’s yearning for a personal destiny, it doesn’t bear too much resemblance to classical Eastern spirituality, which rejects it as totally perverted.” Ernest Valea
http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

 

Other concepts of reincarnation also exist, for example;
In the Dahomeyan conception, one of the components, the djoto, comes from an ancestor after his 'canonization' as tutelary vodoun. That soul is reincarnated in his family or clan, but this is not a reincarnation like that of Hindu wheel of life or samsara. It is not a rebirth in a newborn or other creature. It is a superposition or composite state with another existing person, a member of the family or clan. It is the shadow component of the ancestor, that invisible force field that enters into modulation with the body 'double' of the individual chosen to be the heirs of that spirit. It should be seen as a spiritual power reclaimed by the family.”

That particular concept is especially interesting for me from a genetic point of view.

Then there is the reincarnation concept of an over-soul as such, which sees each of us as a splinter soul experiencing a dominant personality type, which leads to specific experiences that another personality could not have. The experiences each personality has feeds back to the over-soul, and becomes part of the universal consciousness. This particular concept of reincarnation immediately brings to mind Jung's concept “ collective unconsciousness.”

 

Religious concepts and scientific concepts for that matter all grow out of an existing paradigm, which in turn evolved out of a previous paradigm. My own concept of reincarnation and life after death, have equally evolved as my personal paradigms evolved.

I was about 5 or 6 years old when I was suddenly struck by the idea that I could be born into another body, in much worse circumstances. At that age I had no idea of the concept of reincarnation, having been raised in a strictly Christian environment. I also became aware of memories that did not come from my experience in my present body. I was suddenly seized by a feeling of panic, I did not want to be born again. But then my thoughts turned to Christ on the cross, and I thought I understood what redemption means; it means that if you embraced Jesus then you don't have to be reborn again. So I really tried to be a good Christian. ( I described that part of my journey in “For fear of Snakes” ) Christianity, however did not satisfy my spiritual hunger and left me with unanswered questions that the ministers just answered with:”God moves in mysterious ways.”

 

I first heard about Yoga and meditation when I was about 13, which revealed to me that there exist different concepts of life and death than what I was taught through Christianity. At about the same time I discovered discovered Edgar Cayce, and was introduced to the New Age concept of reincarnation.

 

Does my personal memories then serve as a personal proof to me as an individual that reincarnation exist? Are children's memories of past lives, cases in which a subject began to speak a previously unknown foreign tongue (xenoglossy) proof? Is the fact that even when the conscious mind is skeptical about reincarnation, the unconscious mind will almost always produce a “past life story”, if stimulated in the right way, normally under deep hypnosis, proof? So I thought until I started further investigations into other concepts.

 

In most cases the recall of what appears to the subjects as one or more past lives requires some altered state of consciousness. According to Ervin Laszlo, past live experiences in young children are due to somewhat different physiological conditions that those experienced by adults.

The neural networks of children are permanently in the alpha-state of the adult altered states of consciousness: until the age of five or six years, the beta waves of normal waking consciousness are not present in the brain. Immature brains are not always able to discriminate the signals that convey the experiences of a brief lifetime from sufficiently isomorphic signals that convey experiences of other persons. Thus children may become aware of images and impressions that are not traces of their own experiences, but traces of the experiences of people whose brain states happen to match theirs.”

 

Ervin Laszlo also provides an interesting Theory relating to what he calls “Transpersonal Recall” which includes telepathic communication between individuals, past life recollections, natural healing, and simultaneous insights among individuals, as well as between cultures.

We interpret transpersonal memory as the expansion of 'bandwidth' of the brain's psi-field receptivity. The psi-field concept is very close to Jung's original concept of the 'collective unconsciousness.'Archetypes according to Jung arise from a vast, limitless unconscious process shared by all humanity, emerging from accumulated experience of thousand of years of shared history. They are due to the gradual modification of genetic structure in individuals allowing personal experience to incorporate ever more elements of the collective unconscious.”

 

According to Laszlo the psi-field is a non-spatiotemporal field that is the encoder and transmitter of all events in spacetime, including the neural network dynamics that underlie cognitive processes in human brains. This of course also relate to Sheldrake's “Morphogenic Fields” and to the classic “Akashic Records”.

 

So the 'past-life' memories that I have had may be someone else's memories that I accessed when I was a child, or when I was in a an altered state of consciousness. These memories would particularly relate to a present psychological state that I had at the time. This I can find plausible for it was striking for me that the details of the memories were not as important as the emotions that I experienced. The emotions that I experienced in those memories related directly to present emotions I was experiencing. It is furthermore interesting that it has been found by Jungian and transpersonal psychotherapists who uses, “regression therapy”, that the images and events recalled by patients frequently relieves traumas and neurosis.

 

So in conclusion in regard to reincarnation; whether it is real, my imagination, or someone else's memory, or an inherited memory, I would like to keep an open mind. What will it help me now if once upon a time I was a King, or a really bad person. Right now, I am what I am. Right now I am alive, and right now a myriad of possibilities are open to me. Right now I have the opportunity to let go of past hurts, and mistakes, mine or my ancestors' , use what I have learned to decide what is I want from the future. What kind of life do I want to live, and build around me. What is important to me is the wonder of my mind.

 

Consciousness, when seen in its purified essence, is One, undivided. It is the sustainer an creator of pattern, of energy, like the ocean supports the waves, and the waves are never separate from the ocean. But fundamentally and in essence, consciousness is formless and uncreated, a drop of the Supreme Being. ... We can intuitively perceive the relevance in coming to grips with the fact that all sensory experience is subjective, incommunicable and in our own minds – that the apparently outward world is thus within our own mind structure. With the body as only an outer shell of the Formative Mind's patterning process, we can understand the integral blueprinting mechanisms by which it is formed or patterned and how our whole existence is really psychosomatic – mind and body are part and parcel of the same process of Mind.” John Davidson – The Secret of the Creative Vacuum

 

One thing is clear to me and that is that we are all inter-connected, all of life is inter-connected and that whatever I do, does not just affect me, but also infinity. We each have an awesome responsibility, and although I might appear small and insignificant in the greater scheme of things, who knows how far the influence of my actions may stretch into the future. Even if I cease to exist in my present form, some part of me will always exist, waiting for the right moment like a seed, to germinate.

 

Both death and rebirth in the casual world are in thought. Casual-bodied beings feast only on the ambrosia of eternally new knowledge. They drink from the springs of peace, roam on the trackless soil of perceptions, swim in the ocean-endless of bliss. Lo! See their bright thought bodies zoom past trillions of Spirit-created planets, fresh bubbles of universes, wisdom-stars, spectral dreams of golden nebulae on the skyey bosom of Infinity...Behold the butterfly of Onipresence, its wings etched with stars and moons and suns! “
Autobiography of a Yogi” - Yogananda

Bridge of Glory - Nicholas Roerich

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1. The Capt. left...
Saturday, 3 June 2006 2:10 pm :: http://thecapt.blog-city.com

You often hear ideas of reincarnation and death, but I think what changed my ideas of both was lucid dreaming. To know that my consciousness could be separate from my body, gave me an understanding as to what inner Spirit is.

It's said that Christ and his 12 disciples are symbolic of the inner Spirit and its 12 incarnations. All exploring different aspects of the inner Spirit.

I too feel strongly about the One Consciousness. It seems as though the Earth's realm is a place for baby Spirits to learn how to come into the flow of Spirituality. The incarnations are personalities that live the work necessary for the inner Spirit to grow to that level.

I must say I hadn't thought about my instances of picking up (re-incarnation) events as possibly being someone else's frequency! A light bulb moment.


2. sophia left...
Monday, 5 June 2006 7:27 am :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

In the vastness of All, in just what I had experienced in this life, I know that life is many splendoured, multi-layered pattern beyond our present capabilities of perception. It is seeing one perspective, moving through it, and seeing in another breathless moment another vista you could not have perceived of before.

But mostly for me love is the cohesive element of All. Merging in love without fear is like dying, and it does change you as surely as death would, but still the I can merge and remain, though not quite the same. It is the symbol of 8, moving turning, but never quite the same.

This is also inherent in the concept of Shape Shifting.


3. PathEffect left...
Monday, 5 June 2006 10:40 pm :: http://blog.patheffect.com

Always a wide and varied breadth of discussion of a single topic in some very interesting reading. As an interesting demonstration of the interconnectedness in a concrete sense, perhaps we find reincarnation in your recent post on the meaning of death--not just one person reincarnating into another, but those immediately preceding us, even alive simultaneously to us. Though maybe I'm stretching it :)


4. sophia left...
Tuesday, 6 June 2006 5:53 am :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

Not really, from a Quantum Physics perspective, that is entirely possible. But the mind boggles when you think of all the possibilities, until you wonder whether anything you thought you were actually exist, perhaps I am just a figment of my own imagination. Am I the dreamer or am I the dream?


5. PathEffect left...
Tuesday, 6 June 2006 1:04 pm :: http://blog.patheffect.com

Definitely feels we are both the dreamer and the dream sometimes. A rather apt analogy for naming as the mother of the 10,000 things.


6. sophia left...
Wednesday, 7 June 2006 9:46 am :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

Patheffect. I also feel we are both. Interesting for me is that most of our personal beliefs originate in our pre seven years, when we are in the Alpha state. So we in the Alpha state our subconsciousness are imprinted with the beliefs we base our lives on. So for us to truly change our beliefs we have to enter that Alpha- state, or altered consciousness, maybe that is why it is hard to change if we only live in the waking state of consciousness and why our imaginations play such a vital part in our development? Maybe that is why all the intellectual arguement cannot really change us but rather evokes in us a need to question.


7. sophia left...
Saturday, 10 June 2006 9:14 am :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

Capt. my blogboard is not responding at present so I will answer your question here.

The Capt.Will the world find balance before the Earth kills us?

Sophia; It is not the Earth that will kill us, it is our own obstinate refusal to let go of our comfy boxes of conditioning. It is painful to face how much we have been deceived by excepted norms, but if we want to become vital once again we must. We are not seperate from the Earth, we are all intertwined as one.


8. kevin g left...
Sunday, 18 June 2006 9:32 pm

I agree with your response to The Capt,'s question. It's sad that people (and even to some degree, myself) forget that there is a bond between all living creatures and the Earth.


9. sophia left...
Tuesday, 20 June 2006 8:07 am :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

Kevin.G, I believe that we have been brain-washed into believing that faith must be blind-faith. It might have been appropriate in times gone by, but not anymore. Recent revelations in the Christian faith have shown only too clearly that all is not what we think it was. Today, we must find the Divine through ourselves - not the Highermost, but the Innermost. We do that by beginning to question, just what is going on here?

That initiates an adventure into finding yourself and in finding yourself you find the Divine. When you do that the fear of death just disappears. I have no fear of death, because I know within myself that I can never lose myself. When a child becomes an Adult, on the surface the child dies, but in reality we always have the inner child within us, it is just no longer in sight. We are like trees, only a part of us is visible, most of what we are is invisible, but it still exists.

Change is never easy, but to truly live we must change and evolve. Humanity is at a point of change and it is very confusing because we are still in becoming, not yet what we can become.

There are some that say we had to lose our connection with the Divine, in order to evolve to the next step, just as a child have to leave the parent to learn to stand on its own feet, but the good parent will always be there if help is needed. If there is a Divine, and I believe there is, then would the Divine parent not be beter than the best human parent? But a good parent will also alow the child to make his/her own mistakes, and not be over protective so that the child can find confidence in his/her own ability.

"Thus is man born to a new life, which shall be his into old age. And such is his vocation; to become the point of euilibrium, where the various dimensions that he bears may join together through him. Then shall he truly desreve the name of Man, who speaks with the Everlasting and guarentees the balance of creation."

  • - Amadou Hampate Ba


10. The Capt. left...
Tuesday, 20 June 2006 2:17 pm

Liked your response to K.G. But back to the dreamer and the dream, you guys forgot the third connection. Father, son and Holy Ghost. Inner Spirit, personality, Greater Spirit. So we have 3 entities in one: the dreamer, the dream and the one mind that produced both. ;]


11. sophia left...
Tuesday, 20 June 2006 3:25 pm :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

... or the dreamer and the dream formed a relationship and gave birth to their own creation - Their mutual awakening:]

(Many believe that the Holy Spirit is female in nature)


12. tehemias left...
Sunday, 25 June 2006 6:28 am :: http://tehemias.blogspot.org

“I believe that when you sincerely start questioning everything, from the witness perspective, you are in fact entering a personal chaos, because you in fact are destroying the very basis of your known reality.”

Sophia

This is a gem! Man I which you would write en entire book in which you expand this insight.

For now, what kinds of questions do you ask to get the chaos going?


13. sophia left...
Sunday, 25 June 2006 2:09 pm :: http://verewig.blog-city.com/

Thank you, Tehemias, good to hear from you. The story of my life would be a perfect example of "entering the personal chaos. :]

Sincerely questioning means that you are "walking your talk." As someone once said, "Trying to find the truth screwed up my entire life." lol.

The questions begin with truly looking at who you are, where your personal passion lies, and then to pursue it with courage and dedication. As you remove "the veils of conventions" the questions reveils itself more and more, until you know that nothing you thought was, actually is.

I think that "Imago" will explain a bit more.


14. sophia left...
Friday, 3 November 2006 3:05 pm

At long last I am back on line.


15. Nordicvs left...
Sunday, 12 November 2006 5:00 am :: http://nordiblog.devioustyrant.com/

Well, this is always a cool subject. I wasn't ever religious, never believed in God or any god or anything; not heaven, not hell. By 17, I was a professed atheist. Someone asked me once what I thought was on the otherside, "heaven or hell?"

"Is there a third choice?"

What did I think happened? Rot, decay, got turned back into soil. Then after about 6 years as an un-professed feminist and then another 5 as a very-much-professed nihilist---after about six friends and family members dying, a whole of pets dead, and myself being revived twice from botched suicides...not a lot has changed.

I still don't "believe" anything exists beyond death for me, but I look at it differently now, more spiritually: whatever atoms or particles or matter or antimatter or energies or 'soul' or pixy dust I (may think I) have as my essence, well, it doesn't matter where it goes...back into the soil, air, whichever, everything getting broken down and recycled into stuff that will bring about new life.

I mean, the atoms in my 'being' are over 4 billion years old---I'm that old, you're that old. All of us were present when the dinosaurs shook the surface of the planet. That still trips me out. After I'm gone, they'll get reconstituted into grass or a tree, maybe a whale, or maybe all at once, and keep going (morphological reincarnation?). Maybe our bodies are just borrowed material.

I think death is unimportant once you've accepted it, looked it in the face and laughed back.

"What we do in life echoes through eternity."


16. sophia left...
Saturday, 25 November 2006 10:33 am

"What we do in life echoes through eternity."

I agree whole heartedly.